To be, again, or not to be,
again. That is the REAL question.
The
Truth about Reincarnation
I hope this finds
you all well and in good spirit.
One of the most
interesting and most difficult topics to discuss in spiritual circles is
reincarnation. Most feel very set in
their opinion, no matter which side of the issue they support. While some believe they remember being
different people in past lives, others believe that the mere notion that we
have been here before is preposterous.
Many religions
condemn the possibility of reincarnation as unscriptural and therefore it is an
anti-religious viewpoint to believe in it.
Not only could anything be further from The Truth, but when one examines
the logic used to justify the “one life/one chance” approach, it falls apart at
the seams.
Let’s assume for
the moment that each of us has only one shot at getting this ‘right’ (living
our lives according to God’s Will rather our own selfish will). Wouldn’t giving only one chance, when it
means immortal life, or death in The Fire, be very unfair of God? Some of us are born into affluent families,
while others are born poor. Some live in
industrialized countries while others struggle just to find food in less
developed countries. Different parts of
the world create very different situations and difficulties just as different
parts of the same country, state, or even the same city do. The point is this: we all live very different
lives and are faced with challenges that are dramatically different from one
individual to the next. We often mourn
when we see how severe these conditions are for others.
With this in
mind, please ask yourself one very simple question…do you believe that we all
receive the same one time chance at salvation on this planet? Be careful, because if you answer “No”, then
you automatically believe that God is not fair.
Is that what you really believe? I
hope not.
Not only is God
fair in all things, He is the only one qualified to judge what is fair and what
is not. He is also the only one who can
judge what is ‘good’ and what is not.
You have probably also thought you were ‘good’, or that you know you
will be saved, haven’t you?
King
of king’ Bible - Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean [thing], and all our righteousnesses [are] like
filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our inequities, like the wind,
have taken us away.
http://jahtruth.net/kofkad.htm
King of kings’ Bible – Matthew 7:11 If
ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much
more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask
Him?
http://jahtruth.net/kofkad.htm
Stop telling
yourself the lie that you are good, when God has clearly told you
otherwise. Stop telling yourself that
you are ’saved’ when only God knows whether that is true or not. It would also be wise to stop telling
yourself that God is unfair when you ought to know that He is not. He has sent you signs to show you that
reincarnation is a fact of your existence on this planet (e.g. the seasons;
winter = death is always followed by spring = rebirth) you just haven’t paid
attention. As a matter of fact, He has
told you clearly, through the words of Christ-Jesus about salvation and
reincarnation:
King of king’
Bible - John 3:13 And no man
hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son
of Man which is from heaven.
So if none of us
have gone to heaven, then where do we go when our bodies die?
To answer that
question, you must first accept what you really are and where you really are. We
spend plenty of time here discussing our souls, but what are they really? How is it that you even know that you have
one?
The reason that
you know you have a soul is because God Himself has told you. You accept it as fact or the first question
above would not have made any sense to you.
Let’s look at it again:
“So if none of us have gone to heaven, then
where do we go when our bodies die?”
Where do we
go? If our body is dead, then the only
way we go anywhere is through our soul, which is the REAL YOU. That’s right; the reality of the situation is
the real you is a soul that has a body, NOT a body that has a soul. What is a soul? It is a spiritual (spirit-energy) being. Let that sink in for a moment…you now know
what you really are: YOU ARE A SPIRIT-ENERGY BEING! You would think as many times as you have
referred to yourself as a human+being that this would be intuitive. For much more detail on this subject, and the
answer to where you are, why you are here and what you should be doing with
every moment of your time, please read “The
Way home or face The Fire” by JAH.
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Now that you
understand what we really are, is it really that difficult to understand
reincarnation? We have been placed in
these bodies, by God, for a purpose.
That purpose is to learn to be good according to God’s instruction and
His shining example to all of us, Christ-Jesus.
As evil beings (please recall what He told us in Isaiah 64:6, confirmed
by Jesus in Matthew 7:11), we are here to be trained, voluntarily, to be good,
through life experiences in these bodies.
One of the many things we MUST learn is to rid ourselves of our own
arrogance. Jesus-Christ and His apostles
tell us this is the case.
King of king’
Bible – Matthew 18:4 Whosoever
therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in
the Kingdom of heaven.
Luke
14:11 For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he
that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
James 4:6 But he
giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth
Grace [only] unto the humble.
II Corinthians 12:21 [And] lest, when I come again, my God will humble me
among you, and [that] I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have
not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they
have committed.
1
Peter 5:6 Humble
yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that He may exalt you in due
time:
Do you really
believe that you have been humbled through the experiences of just one
lifetime? It is only your own arrogance
that would allow you to think that!
To think that
God; Who is immortal, lives in eternity, is merciful and long-suffering that
all might come to repentance; only gives a miserly seventy years out of the
whole of eternity for you to get it right, or burn, is not only totally
illogical and an insult to God, but it is only further proof that you have not
learned what you must. How can giving
you seventy years out of eternity be considered long-suffering? Six thousand
years is what God considers long-suffering.
You have been
given many lifetimes and countless experiences to show you what you must do to
rid yourself of this arrogance, learn from God how to be good, and follow the
life example of Christ when He was here in the body of Jesus. Nothing else makes any sense.
LLTK, LLTF, HBFK,
Rob
reincarnation
you are a hypocrite and a liar. "IT IS APPOINTED FOR MEN TO DIE ONCE, BUT AFTER THIS THE JUDGMENT." (Hebrews 9:27). You are the arrogant one, and "the real you" is going to die, one time, and after that the judgment. consider yourself warned.
Ego and Non-sense
Dear Pablo,
The excellent article penned by Rob with guidance from Father, should have already given you a clue that your oppository belief did not originate from Father. And I'll prove this to you :-
Your statement/interpretation makes no sense and lives up to the last part of your nickname = (seeing through a) smog.
For how can "the real you" DIE, and then be judged? If something is DEAD, how can it be alive/exist, to be judged?
Furthermore, even if we suspend logic and give you the benefit of the doubt that your interpretation can (somehow) be correct, then it would mean that figures like Elijah and Jesus proved that Scripture false, by bringing back people to life who had already died once. Or do you deny that these acts took place?
If you don't, then you must re-evaluate what you believe. For those people (Lazarus etc) DEFINITELY "died" AT LEAST TWICE, having been brought back after the first time. And there is also no way that Elijah or Jesus would prove Scripture wrong, when they were all about fulfilling it.
I think the last three words you wrote (consider yourself warned); with your ego foolishly believing that it had delivered some powerful warning to another; can be interpreted as Father warning you to stop writing non-sense (things that make no sense) and start learning the Truth.
Please read "The Way home or face The Fire" by JAH, to learn how things truly are.
http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
Peace be with you,
Danny.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
ignorance and presumption
it's not an interpretation. i'm quoting the book as it reads. the warning is not intended to be "powerful." it simply exists. and you can't argue or prove your way out of that fact.
you're the one using the "real you" terminology. that's why i put it in quotes, because i think it's silly.
but if you really have to ask,
"If something is DEAD, how can it be alive/exist, to be judged?"
as though the Bible wasn't clear about this particular field of "theology," (yes, again, the quotes), then you have no idea about The Father, not as described in the Bible. there's an excellent article, about the coming judgment, called the Book of Revelation. that should answer some of your questions. if indeed you can be said to have any.
Pablo, you are in Babel
Pablo, you are in Babel (Confusion).
It was you who wrote that "the real you" is going to die, one time, and then be judged. And ALL of that, in context, is silly. That you put "the real you", in quotation marks, is irrelevant. You could dress it up with flowers and it would still not make sense.
The real you LIVES ON. Only the hu-MAN dies. And then the real you is judged in Paradise, which means (Para Dice) "to be told", before returning in another body (reincarnation), or in the same body in the case of those who were resurrected.
You have the example of people who have been resurrected (died once and then lived again to die a second time), and you ignore that Scriptural context because it doesn't fit in with what you already believe. It's called Doublethink and is necessary in order to keep believing a lie.
All that you have to cling onto is your misinterpretation of that verse from Hebrews. It says nothing about not living again as a man, after that. Let alone not dying as a man again.
You are making exactly the same presumption as Martha, when she told Jesus :-
John 11
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
She did not believe that men who had died once could live again before Judgment Day. Then Jesus brought her brother back from the dead, proving that there are judgments before the final one on Judgment Day, and that God is merciful and long-suffering, exactly as Rob mentioned.
Instead of trying to argue, please read The Way home or face The Fire CAREFULLY and discover the difference between "judgment" and "Judgment Day/The Last Day", and Paradise and Heaven.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
Reincarnation is false.
Danny,
Yes, souls live on, since they are immortal, but they are not reincarnated. God will judge us on our belief and our actions, and once accepted into Heaven, our soul will unite with our resurrected body.
Father is not unfair
Michael,
Father is not unfair. Below are some thoughts for your consideration.
You rightfully say that Father will judge us on our beliefs (actually it is Faith [i.e. Trust in God] not "beliefs") and our actions.
Well, the soul of a child who dies at the age of 2 years, and is never reincarnated, will never undergo the same temptations and trials as a man who has lived many years on earth.
That is a fact.
So I put it to you, that IF THERE IS NO REINCARNATION, then the most loving and self-sacrificing thing you could do, is kill a child before they ever have a chance to sin. Then, they would be assured of being accepted into heaven, even if you condemned yourself.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with this logic. Only with the resulting (evil) action. Why would something logical and done out of love, result in something evil?
Answer = because it is based on a lie to begin with. The lie that there is no reincarnation.
It would be the sign of an insane God, to place a soul inside a human body, just ONCE, when that body will die before it ever gets tested...
... if you really stop and think about it.
My Father is neither insane nor unfair.
You claim there is no reincarnation and you also wishfully speak of the soul uniting with your resurrected body.
This should tell you, if you want to see, that you are too wrapped up in your present human identity, and have not been born again from above, to know the Truth.
Father doesn't talk to humans but to spirit-beings/souls.
Unlearn what you have learned (think you know), which doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Become as a little child (who know they know very little and want to learn), and read The Way home or face The Fire.
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I stand by my statement.
My Father is neither insane nor unfair, thus I stand by my statement. And to quote Rick Reinckens, "Mankind has an innate desire to commune with God. It is in our nature, because God put it there. Satan will use any means available to lead people away from God. He doesn't have to get people to believe there is no god, he simply has to get them to not believe in the Christian God. A simple way for him to do this is with counterfeit religious experiences such as 'reincarnation past-lives.'" I suggest you heed your own advice and unlearn what you have learned (think you know) about Christianity.
Standing crookedly
Michael,
I see you have not even tried to explain how the way God does things, according to you, is fair and sane. Even after saying that we shall be judged by our beliefs (faith) and actions.
I ask again, what possible actions can a child who lives only a couple of days or weeks, or years, be judged on?
What is called "Christianity" is a lie and makes no sense. It has extremely little to do with Christ, or His Father, Who make perfect sense.
According to you, Rick Reinkens (a counterfeit follower of Christ if what you say is true) says: "Mankind has an innate desire to commune with God. It is in our nature, because God put it there."
The Bible says: "And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." (Genesis 6:5)
"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?" (Matthew 7:11)
It is in the spirit-being's (soul's) nature to commune with God, not man's. And if the human appropriates this desire of it's soul for itself, the result is a humanizing of God; wishing for resurrected human bodies in heaven etc. A false belief. Like the one you preach.
You must be born again (spiritually) FROM ABOVE, and learn that you are not really human.
The Bible is full of references to reincarnation. Here are some more:-
Revelation 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Revelation 10:11
And he said unto me (John), Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
John 21
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he (John) tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
It is also worth bearing the following in mind:-
John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
The only way you can stand by your statement, which does not square with logic and the truth, is crookedly. Perhaps when you can stand straight-er, by letting go of the lies (false human beliefs), you will be able to bear what Christ has to tell you.
You sound like a man who has believed the propaganda of religions that "it doesn't need to make sense, just keep standing by what we tell you and you shall be saved."
Well, just remember one thing. It isn't God Who promised you that.
Danny.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
I know the Truth.
And the Truth is there is but one life. Children who die before their age of reason will join God in Heaven. Believe what you will, but there is no such thing as reincarnation.
Father is not unfair Part III...
Michael,
You say: "And children who die before their age of reason will join God in Heaven."
I guess you think you are still in with a shout then, since you have not displayed any (reasoning)? I'm seriously starting to wonder if that is your "cunning plan". To plead ignorance before God on Judgement Day. It would fail, if so. You can't say "oh the priests or pastors told me such and such and I faithfully believed them" and expect to get away with it. You will be judged for your own decisions, including who to believe.
God didn't tell you what you claim. Oh, "lucky" them. And "unlucky" us. There is no such thing as "luck". God oversees everything and is fair.
You say: "Believe what you will, but there is no such thing as reincarnation."
Again, God didn't tell you that. You can believe what you want also, such as that your statements do not contradict each other or God's Word (but they do, enormously). If the souls of children who die before their age of reason went straight to heaven, then Father could not possibly be fair in not doing the same for all. End of story.
Further repetitions of "beliefs", without any reasoning or Scripture to back it up, will be deleted and re-offenders banned. I don't want to be going round in circles, childishly. And this is not a medium for organized religion propaganda. There are enough of them out there already with all too many deceived followers wishing to parrot the propaganda.
In Isaiah, we find:-
"Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD..." (Isaiah 1:18)
It does not say: "Come now, and parrot your beliefs to me, and I'll forgive you for sticking with what you were told by others and not reasoning."
Danny.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
I am not here to debate.
I am not here to debate. I am here to tell what is Truth and what is fiction. I am not stopping you from your babel, so continue on. But one day, you will know the Truth. I wish you well.
"I am not here to
"I am not here to debate."
You haven't been asked to. But you haven't reasoned either. So if you're just going to say what you believe, please say it once, not three times without adding anything new.
"I wish you well."
Thank-you, Michael. I do wish you well also. Peace be with you.
Danny.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
The Truth can never be stated enough.
The Truth can never be stated enough.
Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth (to you)
"But the most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success." - Adolf Hitler.
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lexie
I very much agree with Rob on this subject and have had those views for quite some time. When I hear born again christian people bragging they have been saved and will have a seat next to the lord for eternity is almost enough to make me throw up. Perhaps it is just me, but I don't think a simple apology to God cuts it! Some of these so-called born again christians have committed terrible crimes against God and humanity. It is so easy to hide behind God and offer him an apology instead of the people they truly hurt. What a cowardly way out!
Anyhow, I have one question in regards to this subject. What happens to the billions of souls on Earth if life becomes virtually extinct due to a great disaster. Let's say a comet hits this planet and makes it like Mars?
God oversees all
Hello Lexie,
God oversees all. A comet can't hit this planet unless He makes it happen or allows it.
And if it did happen, it would only affect human lives not spirit-beings. And humans are going to die anyway.
So best to become concerned with the eternal life (or death) of the soul, instead. In the little time we have left.
Peace be with you,
Danny.
As it gets Darker, more will seek The Light - http://thewayhomeorfacethefire.net
Hi Danny, It sounds as if
Hi Danny,
It sounds as if you agree with me on a great disaster striking us by your reply "in the little time we have left".
It doesn't have to be a comet, it could be so many things such as nuclear war, a natural catastrophic event such as a super-volcano, a terrible uncureable plague amongst other things. Only God knows what our fate awaits. I tend to disagree on not affecting spirit-beings. It is obvious our human bodies will be toast in such events. As Rob noted very few of us are truly good people or spirits that should instantly go up and be in paradise with God upon death of the human body. So my question is where do our souls go in the event of a great disaster? I think it would be foolish for God to take souls who are not truly pure to infect all the good pure souls in his kingdom. That would be like letting all those Asian Carp into the Great Lakes where they will destroy all the clean game fish. There may be some he may take up, but out of billions of people most of our odds are slim to none. There would be no bodies for us to inhabit so would we be stored into something like a virtual hard drive on your pc for a hundred thousand years or until God may decide to start over with human life here or another world that our souls may inhabit? Then the thought of being in that waiting line for a human body! One thing is for sure, life is truly precious.
Take care
Paradise is not heaven
Hello again Lexie,
Only (Hell-)Fire can destroy spirit beings. The (various) prophesied disasters that come upon mankind before that will not kill the spirit beings. And the Hell-Fire comes after the final Judgment (The Last Day).
You misunderstood what Rob said. He didn't say that only the relatively good souls go to paradise. There is a difference between paradise and heaven. Father does not want to allow insane spirit beings back into heaven, to infect/harm all the pure spirit beings in heaven, as you said. But paradise is a different place.
Please read The Way home or face The Fire, to find out more about this. That is what you seem to be asking about (paradise). All the vital life or death of the soul questions will be answered in that Book.
Some of your questions or imaginations, such as might God start the same thing all over again on another world(?), and being(s) in waiting lines(?) are distractions which have been fed to you by the Dark side. It's like downloading a beneficial program (Father teaching you through in-tuition) but a few viruses get slipped into the download at the same time because your connection to Father is not secure enough yet (your mind easily strays).
Our opportunity is here and now, in this world God has created. And we have to learn what Father wants from us, here and now. After The Last Day, there is no more reincarnation (no more chances).
"This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was. Hmm? What he was doing. Hmph." - Yo-Da in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back.
http://jahtruth.net/starwar.htm
Peace be with you,
Danny.
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