How does a defensive action result in the total conquest of someone else's lands? The answer is that it does not. Israel is the aggressor. The maps of Israel then and now prove it.
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Submitted by matt3046 (not verified) on January 7, 2009 - 20:37.
This is a very misleading page.
This situation is thousands of years old. (study the history)
The land did not belong to the Palestinians.
They were simply living there at the end of the war (WW2.)
This is not a simple problem it has taken a long time to get like this. Don't get me wrong I think both sides are wrong
and I don't understand where the UN is in all this.
Isn't this what they are for?
"hey told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.""
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 18, 2009 - 05:36.
You are ignorant or a Zionist supremecist pig. Palestine has been the name of this territory often before and after Christ. They have called it home far longer than the Jews and were there before WWI as well. Jews using Rothschild money have committed a holocaust against these innocent people. Rid the world of these Zionist devils.
Submitted by Dave (not verified) on January 7, 2009 - 20:40.
This is what happens when you throw rocks, holler, phony up "massacres" and generally behave like fucking monkeys. What the hell is a "Palestinian," anyway? There is no such thing.
Submitted by p.henry (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 03:58.
The 6-day war started by the Palestinian supporters to destroy Israel was the turning point on land possession. After Israel was attacked and then won the war, it did push their enemies further away. The Palestinian supported hamas continues to attack civilians and after all these years and billions of dollars (Arafat stole how much? while his people starved) we are sick and tired of the whining of people like you about the terrible Israel people. The Palestinians should stand up and destroy Hamas and Find a peaceful co-existance
Submitted by curious (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 07:56.
I'm not pro either side, but I have to ask a question. How about pre-1946? In fact, why not go back to the earliest authenticated, written documentation of who was living there and give it back to them? Written documentation should include the oldest, identifiable artifact. That's my suggestion to end a war over something as stupid as a piece of land being "holy" because I see it like this....if one believes his or her God created everything, then every grain of sand of this planet is holy, thus this particular piece of land is no holier than any other piece of land and it belongs to the people, or their descendants, whose presence can be proven to have been there FIRST, be it Palestinians or Jews or some other group of people.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 08:02.
....the land was British owned. Palestinians lived there because by and large they were outcast from the surrounding states that, while sympathetic to their sociocultural practices and beliefs, wanted to keep them there to make sure the Jewish people had no easy time moving in.
this isn't a question of "who's in the right?" and hardly one of "the lesser of two evils." this is a war, simply put; nobody's right, but somebody's gonna win, and sandy vag's like what we see here will always root for the underdog.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 08:03.
what this map leaves out is one very big detail, the gain of land by Israel was actually all done when attacked by other countries.
take for example in 1967, the six day war, when Israel was attacked by three main Arab nations, while six other predominantly Arabic countries sent troops or other forms of military aid.
"In May 1967, Egypt's president Nasser expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula.[6] The peacekeeping force had been stationed there since 1957... Egypt amassed 1,000 tanks and nearly 100,000 soldiers on the Israeli border[7] and closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, receiving strong support from other Arab countries"
Israel reacted, kicking the butts of the opposing nine countries, gaining the Sinai Peninsula, what is now known as the West Bank, and Gaza, and the Golan Heights. After being attacked, Israel ended up on top. The peninsula and the other territories were eventually given back for the promise of peace. Israeli settlers and soldiers (there to protect the settlers of the newly conquered territories) even were forced to leave these territories by their own government, under the premonition that doing so would surely bring peace...
Still waiting...
One more thing, the PLO and Hammas, both UN recognized terrorist organizations, clearly state in their charters, their goal is to bring the end to Zionist settlement in the Middle East. Israel has repeatedly made it clear that their number one goal is peace.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 13, 2009 - 01:38.
you all forget that UN has no moral right to divide the land at all, 70% of people were Palestinians in 1947. You can't promise to anybody something that you don't own as Bilfor did to the Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!
Submitted by neutraLLL (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 08:48.
all of these land gains by Israel were achieved through wars not started by the Israelis. See every named war Israel has fought in and none of them were begun by Israel. And you even had an ounce of intelligence left in your brain you'd know that land gains are common by the defendant because the aggressor leaves his backside exposed due to fanatical attacks and rampage warfare and then the defendant neutralizes the attacks and then conquers land in order to minimize such attacks in the future.
Again, both sides have done messed up things and to be truly committed to one side so blindly either way is stupid and irresponsible by any member of the world community. Stop fanatic ideals and the world will be a better place.
Also... Jewish land? Let's call it Israeli Land. Or call the Palestinian Land - Muslim Land. The Palestinians are the only group of people in the world despised by their own peers (Arab Muslims). If you don't believe me, go read up on what Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt did to the Palestinian refugees left from wars they funded themselves against the state of Israel, which they continually vow to drive into the sea.
Submitted by James (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 09:48.
wow. All I can say is that this thousand year cafuffle between all sorts of religious sects has become so obscenely complex Im going to pull an Occam's Razor here and say....
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 8, 2009 - 11:37.
"The land did not belong to the Palestinians.
They were simply living there at the end of the war (WW2.)"
Excuse me? Correct me if I am wrong here, but I was under the impression that the place we now call Israel stopped being Israel after the beginning of Diaspora. I also was under the impression it was Palestine for over 1 THOUSAND YEARS before Palestine was given the finger by the UN and thus Israel was born. Honestly, there is a pretty damn good homesteading claim.
Then if we go even further back, to the old testament, who lived there before the Hebrews conquered that land?
Submitted by matt3046 (not verified) on January 9, 2009 - 01:55.
Yeah I mean seriously, we
(the citizens of the world) give the UN
good money to try to settle things just
such as this.
It would appear the UN is a impotent, organization.
That whole area is about to boil over.
Submitted by Butchhoward (not verified) on January 10, 2009 - 04:36.
Your concept of truth is severely flawed, and I'm quite certain that is with intent rather than ignorance. You use the Bible, yet totally misuse it, mis-interprete, and mis-apply it.
God has chosen the race of the Jews, the nation known as Israel as His people. It doesn't matter whether we like that choice or not. It is not our choice to make. Since it God's choice we ought to be very careful in our judgement of it.
The land God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jaccob, later again to King David extends from the mediterrean in the West to the Persian Gulf in the east. Most of the Arab geography today will one day belong to Israel. That's just the facts.
As to the New World Order, it isn't new at all, nor is it really what it promises. It is Satanically empowered, andis as old as Babel itself. Revelation 17 reveals much about this multi-headed system that will eventually bring to power the infamus antichrist. Revelation 18 foretells the eventual collapse and destruction of the currently forming NWO.
You can do whatever helps you sleep at night, but you won't destroy this system, God will, and He will do it with the return of Christ to this earth in Revelation 19.
Please, stop deceiving people with your "false" truth. Its real lame, its unproductive, and it makes you look like a God-hating enemy of His chosen people. One other thing leave the Bible out if your arguments. Its very apparent you don't have a clue how to use it correctly.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 10, 2009 - 06:32.
Israel is a racist, apartheid state that was founded by the ethnic cleansing (expulsion) of the native Palestinian population from their homes and villages. Israel should give up its racist ideology and accept the right of return of Palestinians to their homes.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 10, 2009 - 07:18.
THANKS FOR POSTING THAT UP.
The maps speak for themselves. Israel is nothing but a land-grabbing, blood-thirsty nation.
If the "Holocaust" justified the creation of the state of Israel, then the current day treatment of Palestinians justifies the complete annihilation of the state of Israel.
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on January 15, 2009 - 18:57.
It is not easy to write and article when your mind is biased. Blood runs on both fronts whether it is Israeli or Palestinian. In everyone's defense, the conflict between them two is one that the media and governments take advantage of...
For their own purpose, the impact of what happens in only taken out of proportion to further impact the public opinion. Wars have always been bloody. It is not news...
The reality of it all is that those Palestinians have been living a life where their own people have used them as a shield and bait to push their agenda... They have been kept from belonging to their own for the purpose of politics and religion...
In short, ask ROME why this is happening...? THEY KNOW....
'Language is a field of battle, the media is the artillery, and vocabulary is the ammunition. The NWO has taken the field by storm, and is proceeding with coordinated attacks on several fronts, using all the latest high--tech vocabulary ammunition. They've laid a bed of land mines that cripple us when we try to stand on them: 'liberalism', conservatism', prosperity', 'democracy'.'
-- Richard Moore, Doublespeak and The New World Order "
This is a very misleading
This is a very misleading page.
This situation is thousands of years old. (study the history)
The land did not belong to the Palestinians.
They were simply living there at the end of the war (WW2.)
This is not a simple problem it has taken a long time to get like this. Don't get me wrong I think both sides are wrong
and I don't understand where the UN is in all this.
Isn't this what they are for?
Benjamin Freedman Speaks
The article "Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America" sheds some light on the situation:
http://jahtruth.net/freedman.htm
"hey told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war." In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey.""
I recommend reading the whole article.
Palestine
You are ignorant or a Zionist supremecist pig. Palestine has been the name of this territory often before and after Christ. They have called it home far longer than the Jews and were there before WWI as well. Jews using Rothschild money have committed a holocaust against these innocent people. Rid the world of these Zionist devils.
I bet you wont post that
I bet you wont post that
This is what happens when
This is what happens when you throw rocks, holler, phony up "massacres" and generally behave like fucking monkeys. What the hell is a "Palestinian," anyway? There is no such thing.
Be careful, half truths are
Be careful, half truths are very dangers.
Be careful, half truths are
Be careful, half truths are very dangers.
Clearly the so called
Clearly the so called Palestinian's should have accepted the 1947 UN brokered peace plan..but they didnt and now they have almost nothing...ooops
biased
defensive wars don't necessarily preclude territorial conquest.
Thank you at last someone
Thank you at last someone who sees the sense!
It's cause it belongs to
It's cause it belongs to Israel to begin with. Palestine needs to die.
quit leaving out the details
The 6-day war started by the Palestinian supporters to destroy Israel was the turning point on land possession. After Israel was attacked and then won the war, it did push their enemies further away. The Palestinian supported hamas continues to attack civilians and after all these years and billions of dollars (Arafat stole how much? while his people starved) we are sick and tired of the whining of people like you about the terrible Israel people. The Palestinians should stand up and destroy Hamas and Find a peaceful co-existance
WHAA WHAA
The victor writes history!
I'm not pro either side, but
I'm not pro either side, but I have to ask a question. How about pre-1946? In fact, why not go back to the earliest authenticated, written documentation of who was living there and give it back to them? Written documentation should include the oldest, identifiable artifact. That's my suggestion to end a war over something as stupid as a piece of land being "holy" because I see it like this....if one believes his or her God created everything, then every grain of sand of this planet is holy, thus this particular piece of land is no holier than any other piece of land and it belongs to the people, or their descendants, whose presence can be proven to have been there FIRST, be it Palestinians or Jews or some other group of people.
The most appreciable
The most appreciable comment. Thank you.
....the land was British
....the land was British owned. Palestinians lived there because by and large they were outcast from the surrounding states that, while sympathetic to their sociocultural practices and beliefs, wanted to keep them there to make sure the Jewish people had no easy time moving in.
this isn't a question of "who's in the right?" and hardly one of "the lesser of two evils." this is a war, simply put; nobody's right, but somebody's gonna win, and sandy vag's like what we see here will always root for the underdog.
what this map leaves out is
what this map leaves out is one very big detail, the gain of land by Israel was actually all done when attacked by other countries.
take for example in 1967, the six day war, when Israel was attacked by three main Arab nations, while six other predominantly Arabic countries sent troops or other forms of military aid.
"In May 1967, Egypt's president Nasser expelled the United Nations Emergency Force (UNEF) from the Sinai Peninsula.[6] The peacekeeping force had been stationed there since 1957... Egypt amassed 1,000 tanks and nearly 100,000 soldiers on the Israeli border[7] and closed the Straits of Tiran to all ships flying Israeli flags or carrying strategic materials, receiving strong support from other Arab countries"
Israel reacted, kicking the butts of the opposing nine countries, gaining the Sinai Peninsula, what is now known as the West Bank, and Gaza, and the Golan Heights. After being attacked, Israel ended up on top. The peninsula and the other territories were eventually given back for the promise of peace. Israeli settlers and soldiers (there to protect the settlers of the newly conquered territories) even were forced to leave these territories by their own government, under the premonition that doing so would surely bring peace...
Still waiting...
One more thing, the PLO and Hammas, both UN recognized terrorist organizations, clearly state in their charters, their goal is to bring the end to Zionist settlement in the Middle East. Israel has repeatedly made it clear that their number one goal is peace.
you all forget that UN has
you all forget that UN has no moral right to divide the land at all, 70% of people were Palestinians in 1947. You can't promise to anybody something that you don't own as Bilfor did to the Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!
you're a moron
all of these land gains by Israel were achieved through wars not started by the Israelis. See every named war Israel has fought in and none of them were begun by Israel. And you even had an ounce of intelligence left in your brain you'd know that land gains are common by the defendant because the aggressor leaves his backside exposed due to fanatical attacks and rampage warfare and then the defendant neutralizes the attacks and then conquers land in order to minimize such attacks in the future.
Again, both sides have done messed up things and to be truly committed to one side so blindly either way is stupid and irresponsible by any member of the world community. Stop fanatic ideals and the world will be a better place.
Also... Jewish land? Let's call it Israeli Land. Or call the Palestinian Land - Muslim Land. The Palestinians are the only group of people in the world despised by their own peers (Arab Muslims). If you don't believe me, go read up on what Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Egypt did to the Palestinian refugees left from wars they funded themselves against the state of Israel, which they continually vow to drive into the sea.
Stupid. Go read your history. Fool.
wow. All I can say is that
wow. All I can say is that this thousand year cafuffle between all sorts of religious sects has become so obscenely complex Im going to pull an Occam's Razor here and say....
Just become atheists!
wait what?
"The land did not belong to the Palestinians.
They were simply living there at the end of the war (WW2.)"
Excuse me? Correct me if I am wrong here, but I was under the impression that the place we now call Israel stopped being Israel after the beginning of Diaspora. I also was under the impression it was Palestine for over 1 THOUSAND YEARS before Palestine was given the finger by the UN and thus Israel was born. Honestly, there is a pretty damn good homesteading claim.
Then if we go even further back, to the old testament, who lived there before the Hebrews conquered that land?
But you know what, screw history.
Yeah I mean seriously,
Yeah I mean seriously, we
(the citizens of the world) give the UN
good money to try to settle things just
such as this.
It would appear the UN is a impotent, organization.
That whole area is about to boil over.
Israel, The New World Order
Your concept of truth is severely flawed, and I'm quite certain that is with intent rather than ignorance. You use the Bible, yet totally misuse it, mis-interprete, and mis-apply it.
God has chosen the race of the Jews, the nation known as Israel as His people. It doesn't matter whether we like that choice or not. It is not our choice to make. Since it God's choice we ought to be very careful in our judgement of it.
The land God promised to Abraham, Isaac, and Jaccob, later again to King David extends from the mediterrean in the West to the Persian Gulf in the east. Most of the Arab geography today will one day belong to Israel. That's just the facts.
As to the New World Order, it isn't new at all, nor is it really what it promises. It is Satanically empowered, andis as old as Babel itself. Revelation 17 reveals much about this multi-headed system that will eventually bring to power the infamus antichrist. Revelation 18 foretells the eventual collapse and destruction of the currently forming NWO.
You can do whatever helps you sleep at night, but you won't destroy this system, God will, and He will do it with the return of Christ to this earth in Revelation 19.
Please, stop deceiving people with your "false" truth. Its real lame, its unproductive, and it makes you look like a God-hating enemy of His chosen people. One other thing leave the Bible out if your arguments. Its very apparent you don't have a clue how to use it correctly.
Israel is a racist state
Israel is a racist, apartheid state that was founded by the ethnic cleansing (expulsion) of the native Palestinian population from their homes and villages. Israel should give up its racist ideology and accept the right of return of Palestinians to their homes.
Until there is justice, there will be NO PEACE.
Israel = terrorist.
THANKS FOR POSTING THAT UP.
The maps speak for themselves. Israel is nothing but a land-grabbing, blood-thirsty nation.
If the "Holocaust" justified the creation of the state of Israel, then the current day treatment of Palestinians justifies the complete annihilation of the state of Israel.
Brazil
I just know ONE thing: If wasn´t for Brazil, Israel was never created.
Oswaldo Aranha (Getulio Vargas´s Secretary of State) gave the final vote...
REASEARCH and you are ALL welcome to Brazil!
Not easy...
It is not easy to write and article when your mind is biased. Blood runs on both fronts whether it is Israeli or Palestinian. In everyone's defense, the conflict between them two is one that the media and governments take advantage of...
For their own purpose, the impact of what happens in only taken out of proportion to further impact the public opinion. Wars have always been bloody. It is not news...
The reality of it all is that those Palestinians have been living a life where their own people have used them as a shield and bait to push their agenda... They have been kept from belonging to their own for the purpose of politics and religion...
In short, ask ROME why this is happening...? THEY KNOW....